Thread:The Wiki Meister/@comment-24087318-20150329020445

So. Reading over the "apologies" you've sent to the Staff here, and myself (Forgetting Tsubori of all people, and a few others) it seems you havn't actually learned much.

In your Apology on Hype, Amet and Jord's walls, you merely attempt to deflect the blame by stating "I'm sorry, but Flora..." and attempting to avoid the blame by placing it on her own actions.

Frankly, that's incredibly childish, and not even close to a true apology. It's simply an attempt at dodging the blame and attempting to use a "Holier than thou" stance on the matter by saying essentially saying "Yeah, I suck. But other people suck more."

That's not an apology. That's just an incredibly political way to get a barb in at somebody else, once again towards Flora. Did you not say you would cease that sort of attitude? I suppose that was hollow as well.

The issue is far from dead, so long as you maintain this attitude and behavior against us as the RWBY Fanon, and Flora as well. She's left the matter lie, not once in your attempted apologies has she made a move to attack you or even comment on it. You are the one who is being insistant on continuing.

Your apology has only gone so far as to ring hollow in the ears of everybody you attempted to make it towards. The only remotely sincere one was to myself, as you made no reference to Flora or otherwise attempted to deflect the blame or guilt. The other three you made were essentially cut and paste, and the main body of them was an effort to deflect the fault of the matter to Flora. That is, as I've stated above, incredibly immature and does not reflect any definition of being sorry or trying to make things right. You've only managed to piss us all off.

As for your plead not to, "Keep this arguement going" I am afraid that is simply not going to happen. You do not state that you will make an effort to make amends, then do nothing but a hollow apology where you deflect the guilt to another party, saying it was all their fault the matter happened. And then you do not try to cap it by telling people not to reply to your very obvious unapologetic behavior.

As for certain asertations you have made about yourself, I'm afraid they're mostly incorrect as well.

You've stated that you're an honest person. However, you said that you would in honesty attempt to apologize to the Staff of the Fanon for words and insults you've said.

You have, so far, shown yourself to be a liar on this matter. Your apologies were hollow, merely an effort to blame Flora for your attitude and saying it was all her fault you even said them to begin with.

That in itself is a lie, nobody else is responsible for your actions or words. Only you are. And therefore only yourself can truly take the blame.

To rephrase what one of my peers said, yes, yes you will have to do a lot more to make your apology an actual apology, and to show that you're honest in your ability to do so. Because so far, you've proved nothing to me other than that you'll lie and say whatever you think will appease us, and that even when you attempt to do that you still can't get over yourself and your spat with Flora, and will continue to blame her for every single mistake you've ever made.

You missed not only one of our Admins, but the Fanons owner itself, Tsubori. And you've completely forgotten one more thing entirely...

The Staff is not the Fanon. Farthest from it.

You can post on our walls all you want about how you've said hurtful lies that damaged the Fanons reputation, such as equating us to Nazis, the Westburough Baptist Church, and on less obvious exaggerations, completely misrepresented our rules and processes concerning what we Accept and Reject on Characters, and how things such as our Featured Character work. Making such disingenuous comments like stating that Flora has had her whole Team as the Feature for an entire two months. Not only has she only ever had one character featured for one month, but the Staff as a whole RARELY have their characters featured. (It's only happened once, Amet's character was Featured before he was promoted to a Staff position.)

As I stated in an earlier arguement, and as you replied, I said that these things made you either a liar, or a fool. And due to your recent words and decisions, I remain unconvinced as to which you are.

The Staff is not the Fanon. They're ten or so users out of hundreds. If you want to apologize to the Fanon for the things you've said, you apologize to the entire community. Not just the few who Staff it. Your words and actions have been outright slanderous lies that damage not only the integrity we strive hard to keep, but the reputations of those who use the Fanon for RPs, posting characters and writing Blogs.

Instead of this apology, you only made one to half of the Administration and one Chat Moderator, and in the majority of these you simply tried to push the blame back onto Flora.

Forgive my rudeness when I say this, but grow up.

You're handling this matter as if you were a child, crying that "She started it! D=" and using that to justify your actions and make yourself look like you're in the moral high ground.

That's what my 7 year old neice and nephew do.

You've, so far, failed to grasp what an apology is. You've failed to grasp the scope of what you've damaged. You've failed to grasp even a basic amount of maturity.

We've given you respect so far. We've shown you curteosy. We've allowed you to give your chance at an apology. We've put the water under the bridge and allowed ourselves to hear you out in a respectful, mature manner. I'll re-iterate. Nobody has lashed out at you so far, not a single person. Even Flora has kept her mouth shut.

But you havn't shown us nearly the same level of dignity and respect. You made an attempt, a weak, feeble attempt. But all that attempt did was show that you're still incredibly petty and can't get yourself past previous events. Insisting that you're not sorry, and that it's all Flora's fault you did or said anything.

I said earlier in discussions long past how your comments and statements were rude, offensive, and completely incorrect statements about the Fanons character and processes, and that all of us here are hurt over them.

So far your only responce has been a slap in the face, as you've attempted to make an apology (Yes, I see that you've made an attempt) But your own emotions and pride are still something you can't swallow.

So really, and to make the long post a lot shorter. You've got two options.

One, by all means, do what you said you would do in your last post, and stop replying. Leave us with this immaturity where we can see your pettiness in full view. Claim that you're better than us by making a horrid and rude attempt to apologize, only to turn around and blame somebody else and then attempt to end the matter entirely saying "Well, I tried."

Or two, learn something. Figure out that you need to swallow your pride, your "Holier than thou" attitude where you're above it all. Above the blame. Above needing to be sorry. Above us. You're none of these things, and we all see it. If you actually want to be sorry, if you actually want to let the water under the bridge and get past this, then you'll need to let go. Stop acting like you're better than us. Stop trying to push the blame for your actions and words onto other people. Stop acting like a child when people have tried and made an honest effort to give you a chance.

You want some facts? Nobody here wanted to give you a second chance. Nobody wanted to hear you out. There was only one person who ever pushed for you to get a chance to apologize and make amends and make all this go away.

And that, was me.

I've been the one pulling Flora's leash so she doesn't reply rudely to these. I've been the one telling everybody to shut up and let me talk to you. I've been the only person who has some modicum of respect when it comes to taking the time to explain things to you.

And honestly? With how you've so far tried to apologize? With how all I read in it is how you're not sorry, you're just blaming Flora? With how you tried to simply end any sort of conversation as soon as anybody called you on it?

You've shown that you wern't worth the chance. You wern't worth the respect. And you wern't worth the effort.

Not only this, but that ends up reflecting onto me. I'm the only person who wanted to give you the chance? I'm the only person who pulled enough strings to let it happen in a respectful manner, and you go ahead and use it to say what you've said and avoid any responsibility for your own words and actions?

That's a slap in the face. It's rude, disrespectful and flat out abusing me, my trust, and my efforts I have made for you.

Not only this, but it affects the respect OTHERS have for me. If I'm the only person who wanted to give you a chance and you blow it and offend people even more? What does that say about me, and the people I attempt to vouch for? Nothing good, I can tell you that with certainty.

So on your claims of honesty, on your claims of respecting people to an equal degree they respect you, on your claims that you're apologetic and truly want this matter to end.

You've made absolutely no effort to accomplish any of these. You havn't addressed the Fanon as an entire community, you didn't even talk to its Owner of all people, your current apologies are nothing but blame avoidance.

And because of all of the above, that makes you a liar. As you've said time and time again you're sorry, you want to make an effort, you want to show a high level of respect.

You've shown none of these things.

Feel free to respond with your reasons or excuses, or ignore this post and the matter entirely. But know this: Your efforts are far, far, FAR from acceptable. They wouldn't even fly with your school principal if you got in a fight and sent to his office.

And worst of all, you've delivered me a personal slap in the face for even trying to give you a chance to make amends. Talk about a massive disrespect for the only person who actually wanted to do something for you. I thought that was your little motto? Actually, to make a direct quote, "I'll treat the Fanon Wikia the same as I treat everyone else, and that is with respect" Source 